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I can't find the Apple TV (4K) remote, and tried to set up my iPhone or iPad as the remote. But the Apple TV was on a different Wifi router before, and the iPhone and iPad remote app turned the wheel repeatedly and can't find the Apple TV device.

Is there any way to make it work? Such as moving the iPhone or iPad 2 feet away from my Apple TV and have them "hooked up"? I guess one possibility was if that Apple TV sent a token to iCloud for my account long before, and can let me download that token to my remote app to authenticate it is the same user trying to use the remote functionality but I guess such functionality is not there (yet)? Is there any method at all?

A side note is, if a new remote needs to be purchased, I supposed it can still hook up to my existing Apple TV (4K), or else there really is no point in selling a remote by itself?

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From the link you referenced, it tells you exactly what's required to use your iOS device as an AppleTV Remote

1. Check that your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch is on the same Wi-Fi network as your Apple TV or AirPlay 2-compatible smart TV

You need to have both the iOS device and the AppleTV on the same network.

Is there any way to make it work? Such as moving the iPhone or iPad 2 feet away from my Apple TV and have them "hooked up"? I guess one possibility was if that Apple TV sent a token to iCloud for my account long before, and can let me download that token to my remote app to authenticate it is the same user trying to use the remote functionality but I guess such functionality is not there (yet)? Is there any method at all?

Proximity and tokens are not methods that have been implemented so while it an interesting concept, it simply doesn't exist.

A side note is, if a new remote needs to be purchased, I supposed it can still hook up to my existing Apple TV (4K), or else there really is no point in selling a remote by itself?

Yes. You can (re)pair a new Apple Remote with your existing AppleTV. You can get more info from the Apple Support document If you lost the remote for your AppleTV.

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    And to add - some smart TV remotes can also control Apple TV Mar 28, 2020 at 9:31
  • That true @ReneLarsen, but I'm keeping the answer Apple centric since the crux of the question was connecting iOS devices to an AppleTV.
    – Allan
    Mar 28, 2020 at 9:33
  • But the Apple TV was using a network on a different router, I think, and the ISP came and replaced it some 6 months ago. So the iPhone / iPad and the Apple TV are on different Wifi. But actually I think the Apple TV was also on an Apple 802.11ac access point, but it looks like it didn't connect to it (or else the iPhone's remote app won't have the wheel that keep on spinning). One other page on Internet says it is a catch-22: I need an Apple TV remote first to make it work with the iPhone's remote app... Mar 28, 2020 at 9:42
  • and then, it seems I might be able to to this: use a really long Ethernet cable to connect from my current Wifi router to the Apple TV, and now my iPhone and iPad can be on the same network... Mar 28, 2020 at 9:51
  • That last comment is quite confusing. The bottom line is that your iPad, iPhone, or iPod must be on the same network. The ISP coming out and changing the router is not really relevant because your AppleTV and your iOS device need to be connected to that new router. "one other page on the Internet" isn't really helpful, because I have no idea to what you're referring to so I can validate what it says. The links I supplied in the answer are direct from Apple - reference those first.
    – Allan
    Mar 28, 2020 at 9:51

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