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So I've done incredibly silly things with a friend of mine over the past couple of years and there are a ton of pictures and videos where I look bad.

I want to get rid of all those compromising photos and videos which would immediately destroy me in the eyes of anyone.

I can sit down with him and ask him to go through everything on his phone together and delete whatever I deem horrendous. I know nothing about iCloud and backups and whatnot. I want a guarantee that everything will be deleted (after also deleting the contents of the "recently deleted" album) - from all backups and clouds and devices.

Is there any way for me to be certain of that?

He owns many iPhones and uses at least 2 at any time. He also has Macs and an Apple Watch. He is also paying for iCloud. I also own an iPhone but he is the true Apple power user and he can play me any way he wants to. He has some of my passwords too.

  • What are the devices in question? iPhones, iPads, Macs? edit: Oh @fsb you removed that info.. – ankii Oct 18 '19 at 15:35
  • RE: Is there any way for me to be certain of that? -- Based on your original unedited posting, NO! There is absolutely no way whatsoever to be sure all copies of any given file in this case has been deleted. There also is no way to be sure any of these pictures haven't already been shared. If you can't/don't trust someone, then how can you ever be certain of what he says? (Rhetorical question.) You can't! (Rhetorical answer.) – user3439894 Oct 18 '19 at 16:13
  • @ankii It doesn't matter what the devices are because there's no way to do what the OP wants, regardless of the device. – fsb Oct 18 '19 at 20:12
  • This is too broad to answer in detail, but it’s possible to answer, here are some places to check. – bmike Oct 19 '19 at 0:51
  • Modern Kant: Keep those photos only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that they may become the universal "every-day pics" nobody is interested in and you never would look at. Rock 'n' roll Is dead. – klanomath Oct 19 '19 at 3:01
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The answer to your question in the title is one thing, but then there's the question within your post:

Is there any way for me to be certain of that?

For all practical purposes that question can really only be answered as a no. To be clear, you can never be 100% certain.

However, the closest you can get (without him losing all his other data*) is to arrange a get together with him at his home (without any indication as to why) and then be there with him as he:

On his Mac

  1. logs into his Mac and shows you the photos in the Photos app and, while doing so, make a note of some of the filenames of those photos and videos and then sit there as he deletes all of the items you want deleted
  2. shows you his Photos app preferences by going to Photos > Preferences and pay particular attention as to what, if anything, is enabled in terms of iCloud and then disable these
  3. goes into Finder and empties the Trash (or Bin, depending on version of macOS)
  4. also in Finder, get him to press the command + shift + . keys at the same time so that hidden files are visible and then use commandF to search his Mac for the filenames you made note of at Step 1 to see if any had been saved elsewhere and, if so, get him to go to those locations and delete them all before emptying the Trash again
  5. shows you what other user accounts he has on his Mac (this is done by going to Apple > System Preferences > Users & Groups) and, if he has other accounts, getting him to:
    • log into each of them and show you what is in the Photos app (if anything) and repeat the first four steps above

On his iPhones/iPads

  1. deletes the photos from all his iPhones, iPads etc (including the Recently Deleted album afterwards), and making sure you check any albums he has created (incl. Shared Albums) and checking what, if anything, is in the Hidden album (located at the very bottom of the Albums page just above Recently Deleted
  2. Opens the Setting app on each of his iPhones and taps on his name at top so you can:
    • see the iCloud email account listed under his name and make a note of these
    • tap on the iCloud icon and then on the Photos option to see what options are enabled and disable anything that may be a concern (Note: Photo Stream only uploads photos from the last 30 days, so if you haven't done anything in that period you need not be worried about this option)

Back on his Mac

  1. goes back to his Mac and uses Safari (or another web browser) to go to icloud.com to log into each of the iCloud accounts you made note of at Step 7 and:
    • tapping on Photos to check what photos, if any, are stored there that you need him to delete
    • tapping on iCloud Drive to check what files, if any, are stored there that you need him to delete
  2. shows you his Time Machine settings at Apple > System Preferences > Time Machine and look to see if a backup has ever been made (e.g. does it list a drive and show the dates of his oldest and latest backups). If he has been using Time Machine, make a note of any drive names listed and get him to
    • disable Time Machine
    • use Disk Utility to erase his Time Machine backup drives
  3. shows you his macOS version by going to Apple > About This Mac. If:
    • it shows macOS Catalina, skip to Step 11
    • otherwise, get him to open up iTunes and then go to iTunes > Preferences > Devices and delete any backups that are listed and to repeat this for each user account on his Mac
  4. get him to connect his iPhone to his Mac and then:
    • open up a Finder window and select his iPhone from the list of devices listed in the Sidebar
    • select the General tab to make the Backups section visible
    • click on Manage Backups and then proceed to delete any iPhone backups on his computer
    • repeat these steps for each device and user account on his Mac

IMPORTANT

  • There are a lot of things to consider, so it's highly likely that I will have missed something in the steps above
  • Assuming your friend will agree to doing all of the above (and that's a big assumption), this is still no guarantee that all of these photos/videos will be gone. There is no way for you to verify that he has never made copies of them on other devices (e.g. USB sticks, Dropbox, etc) or even within other apps on his iPhone, Mac, etc.
  • There is also no guarantee that he will not try to use data recovery software to recover items from his external drives.

* That is, it is not realistic to expect him to take more extreme measures to give you this certainty as it would involve him losing all his data

  • @IRegretMyPast, My bet is on... it's not going to happen! You might get an... okay I'll delete all the pictures/videos you've sent me and that's about it, whether or not he actually does it. He's probably not going to sit down with you and go through all these steps. I know I wouldn't! – user3439894 Oct 19 '19 at 0:43
  • @user3439894 I have to admit, I too wouldn't go through all of these steps. It makes for a rather awkward experience, and sometimes things are best left alone to die a natural death. – Monomeeth Oct 19 '19 at 0:50
  • Some apps like F-vault can do password protection of files, but store files in Containers folder. Hard to catch in Finder right ? Easyfind etc rather.. – ankii Oct 19 '19 at 0:55
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    @ankii Yep, there's a lot of ways a user can still hide something if they really wanted to. – Monomeeth Oct 19 '19 at 8:11
  • Thanks for the detailed explanation - it's greatly appreciated. I've even decided to add a twist after going through all of this - I'd offer him some big sum of money if he managed to find and show me any other content that is left. Then I'd even increase that offer once more and ask him for yet more content we've missed. – IRegretMyPast Oct 20 '19 at 11:29

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