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Does Java (the JDK) come pre-installed with Macs on OS X 10.7/10.8 and beyond? I am hearing Apple is going to stop shipping Java with 10.8 and beyond but I couldn't find any link to confirm it/deny it.

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Apple did stop shipping Java as of 10.7 and higher. Neither the JDK nor the JRE come preinstalled. However, the first time you need a JRE, Mac OS X will offer to download and install it for you (via the Software Update mechanism).

Similarly, javac is stubbed in a base OS X install and will trigger the install process.

Note that the Apple JRE/JDK is Java 1.6—if you need 1.7 or 1.8, you'll need to get it yourself from Oracle.

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The Java Runtime Environment (JRE) is included with 10.8, but the Java Development Kit (JDK) is not - that you'll need to install yourself.

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    Could you provide a link from Apple or any sort of confirmation?
    – user220755
    Sep 20, 2013 at 2:53
  • @user220755 this is just from personal experience looking at what's installed on my computer.
    – MattDMo
    Sep 20, 2013 at 13:55

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